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I thought the news shows jumped to their own conclusions regarding Rosie's comments. Why was it Elisabeth's responsibility to interpret what Rosie meant

I don't think it was her responsibility and I don't think that is what Rosie was saying. I took it like she was saying "Elisabeth even though we are on very different sides of this, even you can see I wasn't calling the troops the terrorists" Rosie has said several times on her blog that even though the two disagree on politics they were friends and she thought that her friend would indeed help her to set the media straight.

Whenever Elisabeth went ballistic I don't know, but she was always just as angry when her and Rosie disagreed she was just way more graceful with her anger....some people have the ability to control that and some don't.

You might be right... I've only seen snatchetts of whatever the media was focusing on regarding this and previous spats. I know a few weeks back Rosie said something and called Elisabeth young and stupid or something like that.. Rosie seemed genuinely remorseful on her blog... I think there was another on air minor blowup..

I hate talking politics and religion with people because it doesn't take much for some to get offended.

Rosie as a lead panelist should have been the one a bit less vehement on the issues rather than using it as her personal soapbox. You can talk passionately without being downright hateful... She seemed hellbent on crucifying the administration.. I think Elisabeth has tried to counter that aspect.

One thing about Elisabeth, one reason she was hired was that she was a conservative and they want her to be vocal about her views to add some diversity.

I wonder if she'll sign a new contract or be offered one. With a new baby on the way and a 2 year old.. Or is she 3 now, the demands on her time will be greater? I thought I heard it rumored she was being interviewed for a job at Fox. Not sure if it's true or not... But wouldn't be surprised. Her exposure on The View has probably help secure a future in tv in some capacity.

A few weeks back when Rosie announced she would not be coming back, the ladies either expressly said their new contracts were already signed or implied it. Barbara was sitting there and agreeing, so I think it is a done deal for them. From the timing, they must have known Elisabeth was pregnant when they signed her back on.

I know that Elisabeth has done quite well for herself on the show, but I must really strain my mind to see her in another media job. Don't get me wrong, I try to hold back calling her stupid or uniformed as many have, I just call her naive in many respects and of course VERY insecure. Maybe she needs another job to help her mature and grow. I think she is quite obsessed with her husband being true to her and with her daughter.

Did you see her tell about her 2 year old daugher who tells her to go away and let her have her own space? She admits she is in that kid's face 24/7. I guess she can spread her attention out more after the new baby comes along.

Whenever the topic of pornography or naked women comes up she instantly says the same things. She says that those photos are bad because they make a normal woman feel inadequate and not as sexy as the ones in the magazine. She gets so intense about how man shouldn't look because they are just going to compare the nude model to their own wife or girlfriend. You can tell she is terribly concerned about this.

Her husband has convinced her that he will never look at a photo of a naked woman, because it bothers her so much. I think that this conduct is very strange for a grown woman.

But, anyway, she is talented in design. I loved that cape she wore to the White House Ball. She and her husband looked great!
She also had worn it to her own wedding!

I think Rosie expected Elisabeth to say, "Rosie, I have grown to know you and what you hold true to your heart. I have seen the work you do for the less fortunate on a daily basis. I know the large sums of money you have given to military families to help them in their time of need and I know you want nothing more than for them to come home immediately. I hear you daily complain that we are silly to discuss Hollywood when American soldiers are dying every week. I have seen you cry when discussing the fact that our country has made it illegal to show a soldiers casket coming home from Iraq and you think it is disrespectful to those who have given their life for their country. And even though you are way out there on some issues and I don't agree with you, I cannot believe you contend that our soldiers are terrorists."

Of course, we know what she got.

You can't rely on anyone to get your back. My own family would not side with me on a political issue. We had a big fight over politics a long time ago at the Thanksgiving Dinner table. I vowed never to discuss politics with my family again and I haven't.
Rosie was the naive one on this issue.

Yes Rosie did call Elisabeth ignorant. I think that really caused more problems than they let on.

Even if I knew what she meant I couldn't help but be offended if someone called me ignorant, especially on a huge tv show.

Politics is a very volatile subject because most people are very set in their thinking and will defend it to the point of no return. I think it's part of the reason Rosie was brought to the show, not necessarily the politics subject, but they had to know how outspoken she was (does anyone remember her interviewing Tom Selleck about gun control?? whew) and being so outspoken would increase their ratings.


One thing I have to say about Rosie is that she definitely puts her money where her mouth is. She is a contributor to soldiers, foster and adopt children, etc. She doesn't really just "rant" about things, she does try to make a difference.

I hate politics myself.. tends to polarize people and encourages a 100% for or against us mentality and also encourages people to not bother to look into the issues... just trust them and they'll lead you right... well they'll lead you to where THEY want to go. According to the polls... most politicians are really missing the mark on several key issues. Personally I don't think being Dem or Rep makes one right and the other wrong or better in anyway. I also believe that there are times and places (issues) for either a conservative influence or liberal influence. There are no "one answer/belief system fits all" in a society like the USA. I've even been told I HAVE to vote for Hillary because she is a female so we had to stand together in the male dominated society.. personally I think race/ gender/ religion/ party affiliation is a terrible reason to vote for someone... makes the cover more valid than what is written in their life's book.

I've always saw Rosie as someone that believes in certain things, not from provable facts but what she feels is truer... She really latched on to the conspiracy theories without much proof.. Much like UFO sightings.. some see something and later are disproven... even by those that really want to find a UFO. Those UFO's end up being explainable things and it's also been shown that when something that you can't explain happens.. then sometimes your brain fills in the blanks with what it knows. A loud popping sound from a house fire had several people convinced in our neighborhood that it was a gas line (but there as no gas line or propane heater in the empty house)... Also if we believe everyone that comes forward with information on kidnappings, serial killings, etc.. we would have one heck of a group commiting each and every publically revealed crime. So before I embrace what Rosie swears is the truth... I have to remember these things and I do come to some serious doubts... so is she educating or opinionating? Is Bush an evil mastermind or misinformed and terrible at managing?

I think one person said it all when they said it's easier to believe in the conpiracy from want of greed and power to cause huge horrific events than to believe that there are groups out there could hate us for nothing more than what we believe in and stand for that they would plan, train, execute, and celebrate such destruction. (Paraphrased) at least with greed, money, and power hungry... we can understand that because we are expose to it in some degrees with corporations etc.... but hatred to such a scale that makes racist groups look like small time thugs?

There have been countries that hated the US and mistrusted the US long... long before Bush and the Iraqi war... heck some hate us because we back Isreal. Some hate us because we allow different religions to co-exist and some countries mistrust us because they see us as flaunting sexuality. etc etc

EH saw thing differently... I think it's ashamed to call someone ignorant, misled, misinformed, naive because they believe differently. EH might be all that but then again she just may be coming from a totally different value system. Why should EH or anyone else change her values to make Rosie happy and secure. I think they both are very insecure but behave differently with it. Rosie has to control and EH has to feel defensive. Both get stubborn. Her words of being a "foster child" sounded more like self victimization. The fact that she was allowed more leeway with her personalized attacks, steamrolling those that didn't totally agree with her and the way she carried on with her anger being played out on air didn't mean a thing?.... most would get a fired and be labled "difficult" and blackballed from other networks. I believe EH had every right and reason to defend herself, maybe not as explosive but still.. Rosie has dominated the conversation and really has treated Elizabeth as someone to humor. It really seems that EH's bite back caused Rosie to leave... and it's ashame.