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hsmom,
Have you seen either roger and me or bowling for columbine?
They point out a bunch of different things that we all should be aware of. I also think he just in general brings up a good point. He points of that freedom of speech should be used. He happens to do his in a movie form but he does it well. I know in Fahrenheit 9/11 he isn't in the movie as much as he was in bowling for columbine. See it with an open mind and remeber that we are all allowed to have our opinions.
Heather <br><br>Post edited by: momof2gg24, at: 2004/07/24 17:00

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Have you seen either roger and me or bowling for columbine?

No, I haven't. I have formed my opinion from the conservative talk show hosts I listen to, like Sean Hannity.

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See it with an open mind and remember that we are all allowed to
have our opinions.

Yes, I agree about having opinions. I have said this before, I don't want to argue, just be able to share views, and maybe even learn a little bit from each other. I have a LONG list of videos I would like to see, I'm waiting for them to come out on video. First on the list is &quot;Passion of the Christ&quot;. I have heard it is violent, but it was nothing compared to the actual, true, crucifixion. PEACE<br><br>Post edited by: hsmom, at: 2004/07/24 15:29

I saw the movie and it really shocked me. If everything he said was true then we have the wrong man as president. I'm pretty sure he took a lot of the things he learned out of context but it sure made me think really hard about who we have in our presidency.
I recommend this movie to everyone. and for those who haven't seen Passion of the Christ, it is a wonderful movie. But you are right. It is a very violent movie. I saw it in the theater and I couldn't stop crying. It was a very powerful movie.

Saw Michael Moore on Nightline tonight. Sitting there with a Michigan State University Spartan hat on and talking about being from Flint, Michigan, I had to watch.(I'm from that area originally) He is very well spoken, I will give him that. He compared Iraq now to our Revolutionary war and said what if instead of just helping, France invaded the colonies for us and demanded our freedom from the British. Iraq has no George Washington.

Koppel asked him if he thought he might influence the election with his movie, and he hopes so. He said most people would vote for their right sock, than to vote for Bush. Kerry just happens to be the nomination for the democratic party.

I hope Bush can let the truth speak for itself, without the media twisting and turning everything out of proportion.

I received a picture of a soldier kneeling over a pair of empty boots and a rifle, with a little girl putting her hand on the soldier's shoulder. This statue currently stands outside the Iraqi palace, now home to the 4th Infantry division. It will eventually be shipped home and put in the memorial museum in Fort Hood, Texas.

The statue was created by an Iraqi artist named Kalat, who for years was forced by Saddam Hussein to make the many hundreds of bronze busts of Saddam that dotted Baghdad.

Kalat was so grateful for the Americans liberation of his country; he melted 3 of the heads of the fallen Saddam and made the statue as a memorial to the American soldiers and their fallen warriors. Kalat worked on this memorial night and day for several months.

Do you know why we don't hear about this in the news? Because it is heart warming and praise worthy. The media avoids it because it does not have the shock effect that a flashed breast or controversy of politics does. We can honor all of our brave military who are making a difference.

Had to share this information, I still haven't seen the movie.


G R A S S F I R E . O R G S P E C I A L R E P O R T
What Did John Kerry Do On 9/11?
+ + +

8/16/2004



We continue to be amazed at how political leaders are reading
off the Michael Moore playbook as outlined in is movie,
&quot;Fahrenheit 9/11.&quot; It further emphasizes the importance of
Grassfire's new publication, &quot;Michael Moore's Misleads.&quot;

For example, Moore goes to great lengths in an attempt to show
that President Bush didn't know what to do when he first found
out that America was under attack on 9/11. Moore shows footage
of the President sitting in a Florida classroom for seven
minutes after an aid told him about the World Trade Center
attacks. Moore makes the President look incompetent and
confused.

It's a Moore mislead. Moore manipulated the video footage and
ignored the facts. We expose Moore's tactics in our pamphlet.
It's Mislead #6.

+ + Kerry attacks Bush for the 7-minute delay

A few days ago, Sen. John Kerry read from the Moore playbook
in criticizing President Bush for the supposed 7-minute delay.
Here is what Kerry said:

Had I been reading to children and had my top aide
whispered in my ear, 'America is under attack,' I would have
told those kids very politely and nicely that the President of
the United States had something that he needed to attend
to -- and I would have attended to it.

+ + What Did Kerry Actually Do On 9/11?

Before we go on, we want to state that we disagree with Michael
Moore's analysis of the supposed &quot;7-minute delay.&quot; We also
disagree with leaders like Sen. Kerry making this an issue.
Events were unfolding quickly and there was much confusion
in those first moments.

That said, it is important to point out the hypocrisy of
Sen. Kerry by looking at what Kerry himself did at that
same moment in time.

Here is Sen. Kerry's explanation of what he was doing when
the first attacks came (see link below to the full transcript):

KERRY: I was in the Capitol. We'd just had a meeting --
we'd just come into a leadership meeting in Tom Daschle's
office, looking out at the Capitol. And as I came in, Barbara
Boxer and Harry Reid were standing there, and we watched
the second plane come in to the building. And we shortly
thereafter sat down at the table and then we just realized
nobody could think, and then boom, right behind us, we saw
the cloud of explosion at the Pentagon. And then word came
from the White House, they were evacuating, and we were to
evacuate, and so we immediately began the evacuation.

+ + Kerry: &quot;Nobody Could Think&quot;

For the record, it was about 40 minutes between the when the
second tower was hit and when the Pentagon was hit. For 40
minutes, Sen. John Kerry, a sitting member of the Senate
Intelligence Committee, sat in a room with Senate Leader
Tom Daschle.

In Kerry's own words, &quot;nobody could think.&quot;

Sen. Kerry sat in a very vulnerable place on Capitol Hill for
40 minutes after the second tower was hit. What did he mean when
he said, &quot;nobody could think&quot;? Perhaps the chaos and confusion
of the moment meant that a group of top leaders in the Senate
really did not know what to do! So they sat in a vulnerable
Senate office, exposed to attack. Apparently, Kerry and others
did not yet realize that America was at war.

When did Kerry know America was at war?

Again, in Sen. Kerry's own words:

And as we went out of the building, my immediate feeling
was, we're at war. I mean, that was the sense, that we are
under attack. People are attacking the United States of
America and we needed to respond.

So, more than 45 minutes after the second tower was hit, as
Sen. Kerry was evacuating the Capitol, his &quot;immediate feeling&quot;
was that America was &quot;at war.&quot; In his own words, it took
Sen. Kerry 45 minutes to come to this conclusion.
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any other thoughts?? This story is biased against Kerry, but I believe it speaks truth. Does any one else have the other side to this story?

That is really interesting. I still have not seen it. I want to if the day had 30 hours I would be good to do lots of things.
Curly