Gee, I didn't think I had to provide a link within the same site?
I thought there was a clear one in Antonia's forum....
but it was dubbed daughter/father relationships or something such... I think Mazzy started it.
http://startingovertalk.com/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=99&func=view&id=59512&catid=106
Since alot of people don't even venture into the spoilers... I thought it would be better to put the discussion topic out into the main forum area.
There may have been another thread too... But can't find it at the moment.