Starting Over Talk - Peer Coaching Support Site

Now, there's a thought. In a way, Josie was a Season 1 Cliffhanger afterall.

I hope she gets the help she needs even if she never comes back to SO though.

Remember Leah? She never came back and I often wonder about her, but all I can do is hope she's okay and took some SO forward with her in life.

My husband used to say to me too... but that did not last very long before I started telling him how pathetic he must be to let me control him like that. I know it was probably cruel and did not help him much but that was the only thing I could think of at the time. I later learned that alcoholics are really hard on themselves too. As well as everyone around them. It caused me ALOT of anger. As if I was not angry enuff from childhood stuff! Whew! Glad I am not there anymore. that will make ya old quick wether you are young in age or old. Karen needs, in my opinion, alot of help.

Sugahmama... Karen really upset me today as well... I had to really think hard on that one(the show) I am still upset at the lies and unfounded accusations on Meg... but someone told me once it is the disease not the person... I still have problems with that. I think we should all be accountable for our actions... but right now she has to admit them first. I do think your right she used Tess as adistraction and sadly Tess rose to the occasion.




That which doesn't kill us makes us stronger..."where did I put my cape??"

Post edited by: jadedwoman, at: 2005/05/20 22:14<br><br>Post edited by: jadedwoman, at: 2005/05/20 22:15

As Yoda Might say &quot;Much wisdom here I see&quot;

I agree with you all . But this is my thought.
I remember when Venessa made the comment about Karen being her secound mom .... and then Venessa's parents suprising her after her performance ( that all made me cry ) The thought occured to me wonder how Karen feels hearing that from Venessa and not her own and seeing how close Venessa and her mom were. I really hurt for Karen and wondered how she was going to deal with it. I know that when my girls were not with me I saw them in every child and it was a physical pain. My way to deal with that pain was not to think of them. I know ya'll think how could you not think of your own children ... well you do what works for you and I believe for Karen the alcohol and the drugs are what worked for her. Either to deal with the lost of the love of her daughter and the pain that caused or to just forget for a while ... I think we sometimes make a choice based on what we know will work, however temperary, just to stop the hurt. We know that after, the pain will still be there, but, for a little while we didnt have to hurt. I think our emotions take over and tells our head to butt out. Just for that little bit of peace right now. By no means is the right way to deal with anything, but thats why she's there right?? Just my thoughts.

i think your right it hurt karen that her own daughter hates her. vanessa called her a second mommy . tess took the attention away from everyone and karen was the one in trouble . she needed some one to see she was hurting and no one saw it.

So true happygirl - so true.

I for one could tell there was a problem with karen from the beginning. I think the Life coaches saw this too.
Karen needs alot of help and I have heard of nobody to help her get thru this. She needs some support and I dont blame her daughter cause Karen has put her thru alot. What I am saying is she needs some Family support once she does go thru the program. I feel sorry for her she seems so lonely.